Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Gone Crazy

Den and I had an interesting conversation the other day and it really made me wonder if I needed to come up with another list.We were talking about all of the devastation from super storm Sandy.
We started throwing around ideas and talking about preppers.I don't think that I will ever be a prepper. I have no desire to try and find a place for 7 years worth of dried lima beans let alone everything else. But I would totally stock pile 7 years worth of toilet paper if I had a coupon. See I'm not crazy at all.
What if you were a two week prepper? What would you need to survive two weeks in your house? We have had a few really nasty storms roll through and we lost power for days. We could handle it-I had more than enough TP stored.
But what would you need to survive for two weeks? What scenarios would you prep for? Winter? Summer? Would it be more like camping in your house?
It's normally Food, Clothing, Shelter that you need. I don't think that it would be that hard to get food. But cooking it could be a problem. I pray you have clothing in your house! Shelter would be well, your house.
I think the problem would be a heat and cooking source. Also having enough water for two weeks would be hard. I know that you can treat water with bleach. Hmmm, and then there is flushing the toilets.
Ok never mind, maybe I shouldn't fly off on a tangent anymore!
I did try and find a list for something like this but all I got was info on becoming an extreme prepper. Good Lord! It was everything from alfalfa sprouts to defending yourself with a sling shot.
I think that I will just get a really good generator and pretend that that will be enough!
Feel free not to leave a comment,
Sonya Ann


Annie at Haphazard Homestead said...

I'm not a prepper, either, but there is enough food here at any time to last more than two weeks. Same with the toilet paper. We have a generator. It's not big enough to run the whole house, but it would keep our freezers and fridges going so we didn't lose food. We have a gas oven/stove, so cooking isn't a problem. Water could be an issue, because we don't have water stored, nor do we have a potable water filtration system.

Heat is the big issue for us. We don't have a fireplace or wood stove. :( We could get a bigger generator to try to run the furnace in the house, or maybe power the RV.

Summer would be no big deal, as long as we could keep the food cold.

Short term, our best bet would be to hitch up the RV and take to a park that has power.

Long term, we should probably look into a wood stove or pellet stove for heat.

Sonya Ann said...

Annie-You were the one that came to mind when I wrote this. I figured that you would probably be the best off out of everyone that I know.
We have more than enough food for a month. We would be eating some odd combinations at the end of the month but there is more than enough food.
We have a gas stove so we could heat and cook with it. Den and I really did have a long conversation about this one. You actually have to talk about some pretty crazy things to come up with a plan. We were just concerned that if the gas was shut off/disrupted what would we do.
Water would be our problem. If it was the dead of winter, we could use snow to flush the toilets. But we have a check valve that is run on electricity so that would cause us a huge problem if the power was out. Again we are back to the generator. We could fill all the gas tanks in the cars as our reserve except that all of our cars have anti-siphon devices.
See how this could turn into a never ending problem.
All of us should try and put our heads together to come up with something.

j udy said...

We have a generator but not a huge one and are thinking of having a stove put in next year but it is a real pain in the ass with the house I live in.

Food wise if you count canned goods we have about three months worth. We have about 10 cases of water right now..the one thing I am short on is TP so I would have to come to your house. Since we are in hurrican zone I do plenty of flashlights and laterns but there is a lot of things we are missing.

Great now I have to think about this all night...damn you sonya..damn you :)

Mamma has spoken said...

Ok I watched those prepper shows on National Geographic and all I could think of is do I really want to live like that if things got to that point.
The answer was no.
Hence, you might not want to know my preparation will be..........

slugmama said...

I don't know why you didn't think of moi SonyaAnn when you thought prepper!lol

We were actually better off in our old house than we are here to survive an extended scenario off the grid. We lived somewhere we couldn't rely on the power grid really and it was a cold climate. We had 2 alternative sources for heat-wood stove and kerosene heaters. We could heat the entire house with the woodstove and did for many years and it was very cost effective compared to the electric rates. It was a small house though.
I didn't stockpile much back then but I did have enough to get us through a week or more of being snowed in. Same for TP. We were looking at putting in a solar water heater right before we moved too. Keeping food frozen in the winter when the power went wasn't a problem since I could store foodstuffs in a snowbank.lol Losing power in the summer was another thing tho and it did happen much too often. I did make myself a root cellar to store some items but this is why I didn't stockpile frozen foods then.

The thing is....prepping for a short term emergency situation is alot different than for a long term failure of the system.
While a generator will keep your fridge goods golden for a few days or weeks, if the society goes haywire and gas becomes unavailable(like it did in parts of NY/NJ/CT recently), how do you keep the freezer/fridge going? You don't unless you have a back-up power source that doesn't rely on gas powered electricity.

A rain barrel would be a good investment for many people. While not potable water it can be used for toilets in the short term failure, etc.

And most people don't want to hear this or face the fact that if we lose services because of a long term break down in the power grid, anything you do to prep will only get you so far, if you don't have protection. It doesn't take 'civilized' people very long before they revert to mayhem and anarchy when they have nothing and you have a generator, food, tp and warmth. You need to be able to defend your stuff, not sit around sitting Kumbaya and thinking your fellow man/woman will respect your rights/stuff when they have nothing because they didn't prepare.

ANNIE RE-wood vs. pellet stove....I was having this discussion with someone else recently. While pellet stoves seem to be in vogue now(not sure if there is a discernable diff. between the 2 in regard to energy efficiency)I believe a dual fuel stove that can burn either logs or pellets is the better way to go. They may cost you a little more on the initial purchase price, but if down the road we get into a situation where more of the society breaks down(meaning manufacturing and/or importing of goods happens)you want to be able to burn something that you can produce or procure in it's natural state....unless of course you can manufacture pellets yourself. Why buy a heating system for a disaster scenario that still puts a 3rd party between you and the product needed to generate the heat?

Sonya Ann said...

j udy-Den and I were talking about putting a wood burning stove in but it wouldn't be an easy job. We decided that building a new house was probably a better plan!
You are welcome to come here any time you want for TP!
And I really got a good chuckle out of you damning me!

Sonya Ann said...

Mamma-So I take it you wouldn't be needing my supply of TP if the apocalypses was upon us. I would still share.

Sonya Ann said...

sluggy-Of course, I thought of you! I was just thinking of Annie because she has the RV and that is a complete unit. Hmmmm, maybe you and I should get RVs and then we could run off and meet somewhere. Like somewhere that no one could find us with say their dirty clothes!
Part of the problem with this question is that it isn't very specific. And the world just has too many variables. But I think that hunkering down in your house for a while is something that isn't to far off the wall.
Heat in the winter would be a real problem for us. If we still had gas service, we would be fine. If we didn't, we would have a real problem. I have heard of using wax, card board and a tuna can to make a small heat/cooking source. Again, this might be getting a bit off on a tangent.
In the summer, the problem would be keeping the food cold.
I still think that a generator would be the best way for us to go. If we had any time to prepare, we could just fill all of the cars with gas and then siphon them off. Den said this would be a major pain in the ass but he thinks he might be able to get the gas line off from somewhere on the motor without doing damage. He is a car guy and I'm sure with a little ingenuity and my nagging we would get the gas.
And our second purchase should be a rain barrel and well, some proper gutters. Ours suck a bit. Ok they would work fine but I want new ones that don't look mangled.
And I have no plan for if there is a total system failure. Den said get mobile and live off the land. With the outdoor skills that I have, living off the land would mean eating dirt.
So I think that we have decided that I need a generator and a rain barrel in case of a zombie apocalypse.

Frances said...

While we do have some things stockpiled due to living where hurricane preparation is a prudent thing, we are far from being 'preppers." I am not preparing for the an apocalypse as I am hoping that if one occurs it will include the Rapture and I won't be here to worry about it. :-)

We have enough food and tp to last us at least a month...longer, probably, but it would start getting to be weird combinations. We have a small propane grill, so could manage some cooking. If it were winter, we have plenty of blankets and could bundle up. If it were summer we would be miserably hot.

We are very fortunate that we live across the street from a hospital, so anytime the power has gone out, ours is back on pretty fast.

In case of a zombie apocalypse with no rapture, we are probably screwed no matter how prepared we are.

Sonya Ann said...

Frances-I don't know how I missed this one!!!
It is a blessing that you are across the street from a hospital because if the zombie apocalypse does come maybe they will be able to help you!